First things first. Why is Clay still alive? Says Sutter, “That would just be too easy.” In his words, having Clay survive, knowing that Jax knows his secrets, and having been demoted from his presidency, just creates better stories for the show. The ongoing tension between those two guys is something he (and, quite frankly, I) want to see play out next season. Sutter compares the dynamic to his former writing gig on “The Shield” – when Vic was aware of Shane’s responsibility in the murder of Lem. “You have these guys having this immense sense of betrayal, but then have to suit up and go to work every day,” describes Sutter. So, be prepared for some more internal club turmoil next season. However, unlike this season’s nonstop blow-ups – where “every character ends each episode seemingly out of breath” – next season the internal conflict “will probably be more of a slow boil,” says Sutter.

And what of Tara’s survival? Explains Sutter, “It would be difficult to maintain Jax and have him tell his story if he didn’t have Tara.” Additionally, Tara’s injuries and employment situation add a new twist in her story. “It’s more interesting to see with Tara that she’s a healer and what will happen when you take that away.” I think we’ve already begun to see what happens – she turns into Gemma. This was a very conscious decision on the part of the writers. Sutter says that he and the writers had conversations with wardrobe and hair as early as season two about slowing morphing Tara into a more Gemma like character – gritty, independent, and calculating. Gemma made a decision to groom Tara into what she wanted and needed her to be, but in the end she created “some sort of Frankenstein,” as Sutter says. Tara became exactly what Gemma wanted, but Gemma wasn’t prepared for what outcome that would bring. Gemma never thought her son would be at the head of the table with someone other than his mother standing behind her, pulling the strings.

Jax was supposed to leave Charming and leave the club, the club that was tearing apart his family (and Opie’s). But yet, here he is at the head of the table, more dedicated to the club than ever. So, we have to ask, just why are all these guys still so loyal to a club that keeps destroying them? To put it bluntly, Sutter says it’s just because that’s all these guys know. “It’s the crux of the drama with Jax. He was raised in this world. Can he leave it, can he abandon it? And if not, can he fix it?”

Now, if there’s anything left of the club to fix has yet to be determined. The finale ended with what we assume to be the beginnings of a gang war between the Sons and former business associate Laroy’s now-dead girlfriend’s father, who just happens to be a major kingpin. “He’s a few steps above the club, in terms of influence and connections,” Sutter says nonchalantly. “I’m setting myself up for a new story next season. In some sense, [the conflict is] creating this thing hanging over Jax’s head. … He’s sitting at the head of that table, and he doesn’t even know what he’s gotten himself in to.”

Inquiring minds want to know, Kurt, what’s Jax’s vision for the club? To follow his father’s path, or has Clay too deeply infiltrated the club and Jax’s mindset? Says Sutter, “That will be something we see Jax go through. The question for Jax is: can he replace Clay without becoming Clay? If he tries to run the club the same way his father did, will he suffer the same fate his father did? Will he be his own man, can he effect change, will he stay true to who he is? Can he still be the visionary of the club? For me, that’s what we get to play out next season.”

“Sons of Anarchy” enjoyed its highest ratings ever this season and the network and the whole crew seems to be riding high. Sutter says the complete story will take seven seasons to tell, and with the growing fan base and growing ratings, that should be easily attainable. If FX wants to continue the show past that, Sutter says he’s open to it. But, for now, if this is a seven-season story, we’ve just passed the halfway mark. So, if anyone is thinking any of these big conflicts are near resolution, you might want to give yourself a reality check. Season five should be anything but boring.

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A lot of that edge comes from the procedural nature of “Grimm.” Well, it’s a procedural wrapped in a fantasy. The show’s two main characters are themselves symbols of that duality — cop and Grimm. Granted, Nick, as played by David Giuntoli, our hunky lead, is also a cop, the basis of the show is the connection to his heritage as a Grimm – the protector of the fantasy world. Russell Hornsby plays Hank, his partner detective who is completely in the dark about all of the fairy tale elements in their town.

Becoming the Grimm he was always meant to be is not easy for Nick, who is abruptly thrown into this world when his aunt, an experienced Grimm, dies. As Giuntoli describes, “I feel like I have had to be very forceful and very authoritarian. Grimm’s creatures have been raised to fear me, but my character is this nice guy with a family. [The creatures'] response to me doesn’t sync with my identity.” It’s such an interesting dynamic to watch unfold on screen. In fact, one of Nick’s unlikely advisers of sorts is Monroe, a “big bad wolf” who is the natural enemy of Grimms, but is, of course, reformed.

On the other side, we have Hank, a blue blooded cop who is just helping out his partner solve weekly (to us) crimes. He has no idea that these crimes aren’t completely natural. Well that’s about to change. Hornsby: “I am totally in the dark, [but] my character starts to see that things are just getting a little weirder. The types of crimes being committed are out of the ordinary.” Umm, YEAH! Definitely out of the ordinary.

On how Hornsby approaches Hank, being the only character NOT included in the mythology of the show: “I’m steeped in the procedural element. I live in that world. That makes it easier on me, the actor, and Hank, the character, to focus on that. The character will become more curious and his interest is piqued on what is going on in the city.” Hornsby stays mum on how long Nick’s identity remains a secret to him, so we’ll just have to keep watching and see how that one plays out.

According to Giuntoli, the show has incorporated about 12 different fairy tales into the story thus far. Asked which fairy tale he would most prefer the show to incorporate, Giuntoli says with a laugh, “Any one that has me sleeping for eight hours would be wonderful.” He continues, “My favorite fairy tale is Rapunzel and we deal with that one in [episode] 107, I believe.”

Though obviously joking, Giuntoli elaborates on his desire for the occasional rest on set. “In nearly every third episode we’ve been in some major altercation. You think you can handle [the stunt action], but it’s intense.” Giuntoli and Hornsby do nearly all their own stunts. Hornsby says, “By the twentieth take your knees are hurting.” “Twentieth? After the THIRD,” retorts Giuntoli. Not to mention, Grimm is filmed in Portland, OR, which, as you may be aware, isn’t exactly a warm and sunny kind of place.

Hornsby, apparently still adjusting to the wool socks environment, says of filming in the Pacific Northwest, “It’s lush, it’s green, it gets cold and rainy. The biggest challenge is trying to stay warm while still looking cool. We’re working in the middle of these forests and we’re trying to look dashing and sexy, and we’re freezing. It’s been fun but a big challenge.” Don’t worry, Russell, you are lookin’ just fine, if I do say so myself.

Hornsby and Giuntoli have great chemistry together and they definitely come off on screen as the calm, cool, and collected type, despite their crazy surroundings. Giuntoli is a bit of a newbie to TV. His credits include “Love Bites” and the MTV original “Turn the Beat Around.” Hornsby, however, is quite the accomplished dramatic actor. Hornsby was recently seen on Broadway in a revival of August Wilson’s “Fences,” appearing alongside Denzel Washington. His most recent television appearances include a starring role in ABC Family’s “Lincoln Heights” and a recurring spot in HBO’s “In Treatment.” Hornsby says it was a bit of a challenge getting the part of Hank, because the casting directors were worried he might not transition into the more light-hearted feel of “Grimm.” Giuntoli couldn’t be happier to have him on board. He says of Hornsby, “I’ve learned so much from Russell. And spending so many hours with him and SIlas [Weir Mitchell, who plays wolf Monroe] — it’s like going to a master class.”

Giuntoli is taking it all in stride, though. Of his new found fame, “I haven’t prepared for it, but I enjoy the ride. I think it energizes me and I welcome it.” Hornsby, in classic fashion, recites the famous Roscoe Lee Brown quote, “Never mistake your presence for the event.” Classic Hornsby. But that’s the difference between these two, and it’s part of the reason I love this show. You get a bit of that young eagerness with Nick and the cool and reserved from Hank. Giuntoli and Hornsby pull it off beautifully. They’re immensely fun to watch. Oh, and the creatures. The creatures are pretty freaking cool, too.

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NN: One of the things that uh,  I mean I really like the show now, you know I’m about to turn 30 and uh,


MR: HOLY SHIT!  Can I say shit? (laughing)

NN: yeah, yeah, yeah, you can say fuck, shit cunt, ass, whatever you want to say! (laughing)

MR: I want to say fuck on the go… alright!!!!

N: Cunt.  Balls.

NN: Cunt. Balls. God damn.

(All Laughing)

NN: I’m getting ready to turn 30 here in August, and uh, being that (laughs), yeah, Nathan’s  a few years younger than me, so he’s …

N: Younger than I am

NN: yeah younger than I am.. but anyway, I’m about ready to turn 30 in August, and one of the things I really relate to in the show is uh, is I really relate to Owen.  Yeah, just because I haven’t taken great shape of my body.  I’m starting to now, but, but yeah, yeah, but and that’s the thing,  I have to wear the mask and I do all that stuff.

MR: Oh really? OK yeah!

NN: yeah, yeah but I relate to that whole situation in terms of that, and then of course I relate to a little bit of everything else too, because I’m single.  I do have fun like Terry has, but then I have the same paranoia’s like Joe has.  You know, uh when reached, when you considered yourself to reach that certain age, what was one of the biggest things that occurred to you when , when you know, at that,  what occurred to you? What was your biggest fear in that regard?  Like me, I just feel like you know, I can barely pick something up and I hurt my back, and that’s just ridiculous.

MR: Right, right.  You know I had a similar issue when I was 35 with my back, and uh, that didn’t actually play into the show very much but I just, I had sort of that feeling, oh am I going to be infirmed for the rest of my life.  Like, can I do anything ever again, because I just had this terrible back problem for a couple of years?  I think it was from having when we had kids, from carrying them around all the time and I was weak.   (laughs)  I was a terrible, terrible weakling.  And also we moved about five times in five years, and I of course cuz I’m cheap did a lot of the lifting, um and a combination of those things…. So.  I… that was a big wake up call saying hey. Maybe you should get onto the treadmill once in a while .. you fat fuck.

NN: Yep!  (laughing)

MR: Not to you, I just said it to myself.  But uh, ever since then I swear it’s a weird thing because I really didn’t start taking care of myself very well as far as working out goes until I was 35.  From 35 on and I’m 47 now, from 35 on, I got into it. I’m probably in better shape now, then when I was in my 20’s, except that I’m 47 so who cares.   You know, if I had worked out a little more when in my 20’s, I think I probably would have had somewhat more success with the ladies.

NN: well that’s the other thing too.  I’m getting to the point where, which is where I think where Terrie’s sort of getting, where I want to settle down and get to that next phase, but if I have kids and all that, I want to make sure I’ll be able to, you know do all of that.

N: You want to live

NN: Yeah I want to live and not die of a heart attack chasing the kids around the yard.

MR: Andre Bower who came into the show into the pilot, he is very brave.  He said listen, we got to show that this guy is not the guy that he was when he was 20 or 30.  I don’t know if you saw it.  He wore tightey whiteys, and that was it, and he’s you know, and he’s now almost 50.  A little heavier and stuff, and people made fun of him and he as an actor was like I’m ready to….   Anyway he went to the doctor after the first season and they said oh you got to lose,… you are,… his blood pressure was way high.  But he’s a vegetarian now.  um

N: On purpose?

MR: He lost a ton of weight and its fucking us up when it comes to writing, with the fat jokes.

NN: Yeah, because that sort of is sort of like one of the main sources, not only is he sort of a daddy’s boy he also has the…

MR: well it’s, … you know you just adapt, and honestly its thematic for the show because these guys are all sort of trying to… you know waking up to changes they need to make in their lives.  We actually wrote something about it which is on one of the summer shows where Joe is like, hey you’re losing too much weight, you know.  He said, this is all I got material wise.

(laughing)

N: He was a vegetarian on purpose!

MR: Yeah, he’s a vegetarian. It’s kind of funny to see cuz he, I think at crap service,  you know when we’re all eating at crap service, it is where you know on the set, the set food, that’s where you gain tons of weight, because there’s just so much food there.  He…

NN: And it’s all like super  like awesome food too.  It’s like some of the best,  …. They take care of everyone.

MR: Yeah it really is.  A lot of choices you know.  They prepared a special thing for him.  All I can say is it’s the most vegetables I’ve seen on a plate. (laughing) He’s really consuming a lot of vegetables.

NN: But that’s good.  That’s empty calories though so that’s good.

MR: Right.  I guess, I guess that must be it cuz holy…  It’s unbelievable.

NN: Well when I do that I tend to do the same thing if I’m going to get vegetables and I really am not.. I mean granted I’m not going as far to go down the path of just pure veggies.  I mean I’m a carnivore dammit, I needs some meat.  I need some blood.

MR: You know I did that for about 6 months, I was a vegetarian and I had the worst..  I actually,… we won an award called the Genesis Award, which the Humane Society gives for shows, you know an episode or something that does something to promote animal rights or something in that vein.  We did a show that honestly kind of it did, but wasn’t supposed to be doing that, but it ended up being something that the show did.  We did an episode called The Bird, which is about Thanksgiving and a bird flying into the window,

NN: Oh yeah! OK

MR: there was a whole thing about the mother and law killing it to put it out of its misery, and here was sort of a debate that ended up happening on Thanksgiving, and then of course at the end they all eat a giant turkey.  So it sort of raised these questions and whatever.  I had a guy went to that awards ceremony, and it’s all footage, most of the things that win that award are hard hitting documentaries showing how they make swagwa (nick laughing) and all these inhumane, horrible practices, and it felt like clockwork orange you know, like I’m sitting there you know with my eyes peeled open an just watching all this footage and I left, and we had a vegan dinner there, and I left just going, oh I’ll never eat animals ever again.  And so I didn’t for a while and then I slipped up a couple of times.  It was July 4^th, and I said you know what, July 4^th, I’m having ribs.

NN: Cookout, hell yeah!

MR: I’m going to just going to make a day, I’m going to do this ad then I’ll get back on the wagon, totally fine.  So its been 3 or 4 months and I’d been really good.  So we’re having a lot of people over.  We have these incredible ribs and I have one in my hand like a Fred Flintstone you know, giant turkey leg whatever,

NN: Sets on the car and tips it over… (laughs)

MR: and I’m saying to my,  my friend comes in, he’s kind of picking at the stuff, and I say have you had these ribs they’re unbelievable!

N: Fall off the boat?

MR: Yeah.  Very incredible.  And then he goes oh I’m a vegetarian.  And then I with a rib in my hand go, Oh I am too.  (laughing)  I’m literally just look like the biggest douchebag in the world.  Like yeah I’m a vegetarian.

N: Well just say your using the meat because it’s a natural lubricant.

MR: (laughing)

N: It is!

MR: I refuse to comment there.

NN: Well one of the things I really liked with season 2, by the way, is it still season 2, or is it production wise It’s still season 2, but now TNT is still calling it season 3?

MR: Uh.. I believe,…. it’s definitely still season 2, and I believe they’re still calling it season 2, because they just split it in 2 and it’s a whole mess schedule wise but, all I can say is that once we get through this season, hopefully we’ll get renewed and then the next time we’re on, we’ll have 12 episodes in a row like a regular show and not put people through this nonsense with the schedule.  It’s just sort of a necessary evil for right now because we were on in the winter and they wanted us to be on in the summer and in order to transition we had to split up the season.

NN: Oh ok.  Well I remember also too, I remember there was a big talk that TNT was trying to be experimental like how USA is, which is…

MR: They do that with their other shows just like, I guess, just like USA.  And you know the closer airs whatever it is,12 episodes in the summer and then 4 more in the winter and Wide Ridge, I think that’s the same thing.  Our problem is we don’t do enough episodes.  They actually wanted us to do more episodes but Ray and I just want to sort of keep quality control in doing 15 or 16.  It was hard enough to do 12 for us.  Unfortunately, what it does is it just makes people mad because there’s a million of fans go wait there’s only like 6! And they was like what the hell is this.  Why don’t you have more episodes you know.

NN: One of the things I really like that you’ve done with this last season is Manfro, who if those, he was Gianni in Everybody Loves Raymond, but his character Manfro, he is a bookie, and Joe has a gambling problem.   Ray Romano has a gambling problem.  One of the real neat things that to me was really interesting is how Joe really does like Manfro and, but the problem is he knows he has a gambling problem and Manfro genuinely wants to hang out with him, but it brings up…. See you have this love hate, or at least I do, see you have this love hate relationship with Manfro.  I want him to feel like he has friends like he does with Joe but at the same time, but at the same time I don’t want Joe to go over the edge to gamble.  And then of course, you guys hit, hit you with the gut with the whole that,  It’s Manfro that gets cancer, I believe.Right?

MR: Right, yes, yes.

NN: So and then Joe has to go there out of pity and you feel bad because he wants to bet with him, but of course Manfred is like, yeah you can’t.  So will this be like a continued see through for the rest of the season and will it end or is that I mean is that, … you might not want to spoil everything in that regard.

MR: Well we’ll definitely see Manfro more in the summer.  I don’t know.  Did you guys get those episodes?  I don’t know.  I wasn’t sure who they sent those summer episodes to.

NN: No, no, I got season 1 the first time, the first 7 episodes or so.

MR: ok,  I can probably get them to you, but um I’m actually glad you didn’t see them for the purpose of this phone call.

NN: Oh yeah, thank you.

MR: We’re going to see more of Manfro and see how that plays out.  You know, Joe Joe’s in a pretty tough spot because he certainly is friends with Manfro and there’s pretty much nothing you can do to turn down a guy who has cancer, you know. As far as like hanging out with him he doesn’t want to not hang out with him, you know.  But at the same time he knows it’s bad for him just by nature of what the guy does.  So that’s a tension we thought was kind of interesting, and yeah, we’ll see how that all plays out in the summer.

NN: Well uh, the other thing I really liked was, and again, I really like Owen and I want to say this too about Andre Barr is that every role I’ve seen him in, he and this is kind of the sort of roles he chooses, I don’t know if it’s a thing he does on purpose, his characters always tend to be you know, sort of jerks,  usually.

MR: (laughs) He’s in charge.  He’s very in charge.

NN: Right and but usually he ends up being antagonistic to the audience, I guess, at least from the stuff I’ve seen him in.

MR: Yeah. I guess so, I haven’t seen everything that he’s done.  Most of the time he plays a very commanding figure.  I mean homicide he was definitely a guy who would go into the interrogation room and he would get the confession or whatever.

NN: Yeah.  Well he’s really won me over with the role that you guys, how you’re writing him and how he’s performing it. In this season 2, you guys make it out like, well in general television, he, the big thing in season 1 was he won the war in terms of getting the dealership or getting his approval from dad, and then you’re starting to see now that that’s more like not even a major  like a war 1, its really a smaller battle in the fact that his dad sort of maybe betrayed him with how things are running in the dealership and uh will that continue through as well or will Owen do something really special to get out of that?

MR: Well, I mean, basically that story is Be careful what you wish for.  You know he always wanted to take over and thought that his life would be that much better when he was the boss, and now he is the boss and he’s got way more problems than he ever anticipated. Probably because of his father’s hiding of information because his father’s too proud to level with him in the beginning and I think his father was sort of was laboring under the illusion that he could get Owen up and running and sort of ease him into the bad news and instead Owen, without, you know, ….events took place and Owen sort of started doing stuff ahead of the schedule that his father thought was happening so then he had to tell him and it was a big punch in the face to him obviously as far as his dealership not, you know being wildly in debt because of a bad move on his part during the financial crisis.  So yes we will see how that’s a major albatross around his neck that we have to see how he is dealing with it.  And you know it’s one of those things that when you’re that age, you know he’s 50 now, or 50ish, you know you got to deal with hand you’ve been dealt on some level

NN: yeah you cant just start over.

MR: you have 3 kids and a lot of responsibilities, and you can’t just go ah screw this I’ll get another job.  You know he’s got a lot to take care of and so it’s a big challenge for him.  You know there’s definitely some really big things.  With all 3 guys honestly, there’s really, I would say in this summer, bigger things that happen with them than what have happened yet. It’s sort of leading to some big thing.

NN: Now I know you, and I don’t know if this is just because how Thoreau really ran Raymond, but you really like to do, or it seems like you like to use some stuff, a lot of stuff from real life which to me you know,  I think that’s because it’s relatable. Everyone can watch it and sort of relate it. Now I know Ray really loves golf, and I know that’s a whole arc with Joe this season.  He’s trying really hard to get back on, trying to get into the circuit.

N: I saw that episode!

MR: right, what I missed that.

NN: He was like, I saw that episode.

MR: (laughs)  yeah, there’s more, there’s more of that, and that another thing as far as careful what you wish for.

NN: Oh, ok.

MR: He’s got plenty, he’s got a huge challenge on his hands and I think he, uh, yeah and it’s all at the end of the last couple episodes of the winter.  It’s not as easy as just, you know what I’m going to do it.  You know, and you really got to put your mind to it and meanwhile he is a man of that age.  He’s got tons of responsibilities.  You can’t just go, I’m going to, you know, put everything aside and this is my dream.  When you’re 20 you can go, screw everything, I’m going to do the one thing that I like to do.

NN: Yeah, exactly.

MR: But guys who are 50 can’t do that and so with all 3 of them we’re kind of dealing with that particular reality.  You got to juggle a lot of balls, and there’s not, you know life isn’t necessarily a fairy tale.  It’s all going to work out, but at the same time we see how, they, you know we see how they’re good guys and they deal with these challenges in ways that may not end up in ways they thought it was going to end up, but you know, I think uh,…

NN: What,… whoops I’m sorry, I was just going to say what is the craziest thing that’s happened in the writers room that has been added into the show as a major story point or just even something that just sort of comical even?

MR: Oh I’m sure there’s a good answer for this.  I mean our writers room isn’t like, it’s a normal, it’s more like a comedy writers room than a drama writers room, not that I’ve ever been in any drama writers rooms, but it’s pretty, you know whatever, we’re, it’s, it’s a lot of trying to make each other laugh with the crudest stuff possible. (laughs)  Uh … and…. I don’t know what, ah there’s probably  something, there’s got to be something that I’m forgetting about that somebody’s going to tell me, but um,  Yeah I can’t think of anything off hand that was uh, you know I will say that our show is, Men of a Certain Age is a little, it’s a little less like Everybody Loves Raymond in terms of, that was really coming into the room and I’m saying here’s a fight I had with my wife,  here’s you know,  the stuff that’s happening with my family, and making hay out of that because it was very relatable we thought to a lot of people.  This show because there’s three different characters and three different situations, and it’s, it’s more of a, I mean it certainly is based a lot on people’s lives and things that are happening  with the specific people who are writing on the show, but we are also stealing (laughs) lots of facts from other people’s lives and twisting them for our own purposes and I think we have to go further afield you know than just, just our own circumstances.

NN: Yeah.  Well now you’re from NY, and if I remember from following your twitter, you’re a baseball fan. Correct?

MR: I’m a hockey fan.

NN: You’re a Hockey, I knew hockey. OK

MR: Yes, baseball  I can take or leave.  I’m from Syracuse actually, originally and I just got to finish watching the, San Jose about to melt down one more time to Detroit.  Uh,  but  yeah hockey mostly.

NN: Hockey mostly. That’s cool.  That’s cool.. Columbus Blue Jackets sort of just suck so you know.

MR: (laughing) yeah Columbus right?

NN: Yeah, we’re based in Columbus OH so yeah.

MR: I used to play in a club, that it wasn’t even really a club, I used to play someplace there.  I can’t remember.

NN: Was it called Funny Bone maybe.

MR: It wasn’t because that would have been a legitimate club.

NN: (Laughs)

MR: it was a place, there was a woman who booked a bunch of one-nighters and they ended up, like I would end up in Columbus a couple of times and I’m not kidding, I ended up in a hotel or something like that.  There was a lot of that stuff going on back in the early 90’s.

NN: oh well geez, hopefully the town beyond that treated you rather nicely though

MR: What did you say again?

NN: Hopefully even though that the gig possibly sucked, hopefully the town treated you nicely.

MR: Everybody was very nice and the gig was actually very good.  It was really nice.  Very nice.

NN: Oh very good.  Well is there anything else you would like to, for us to plug on here, besides Wed June 1^st, 10pm, 9pm Central Men of a Certain Age returns.

MR: I would just like you to say that, over and over…(laughing)

NN: Alright, Wed June 1^st, 10pm, 9pm Central, Wed June 1^st, 10pm, 9pm Central, Men of a Certain Age on TNT.

MR: You know I’m really sorry, I will say also on TNT for people who missed the first 6 episodes of this half or whatever, there is going to be a bunch of repeats like it’s not really friendly to just sitting down in front of your television.  They’re going to be on late at night, but if you have a dvr, just put Men of a Certain Age into your dvr, and there’s plenty of repeats coming up if you want to catch up with the first 6 episodes.  If for some reason you miss those, the second half of the season is actually, it’s, it’s was split pretty, I think pretty well so that you, if the first episode you see of the show is the first episode of the summer on June 1st, you won’t be lost or anything like that.

NN: And also I’ve been sort of brushing up, because again I’ve really, granted I get home and again I work weird late hours which again and thank you very much for taking the time beyond normal office hours to do this.

MR: Oh yeah.  Sure, Sure.

NN: So uh I check everything when I get home at night so I usually don’t see it repeating it at night or at least at the time when I get home.  So yeah, so I’ve been watching it online, at TNT.com.

MR: Yes, yes its online, the first 4 episodes are on right now at TNT.tv.  they’ll eventually have them all on there I think.  They sort of take them off and they put them on, then take them off and put them on, but um…

NN: Wasn’t season 1 on Netflix too? Season 1 was on Netflix at one point?

MR: Season 1 is on Netflix or you can buy the dvds.  They’re all on itunes.  Every episode’s on itunes so you can just pay a buck 99 and whatever, uh there

NN: definitely.

MR: yes and coming up there’s going to be some marathons I think, late at night.  I think TBS, the sister station is going to run a like 6, 6 in a row marathon at some point. And that’s all coming up in the next couple weeks and yes, June 1st, June 1^st.

NN: June 1^st, June 1^st, June 1^st Wednesday, 10pm, 9pm Central

N: Wait til I tell my mom

NN: Yeah, I love the show.  I absolutely adore it.  It’s a great show.

MR: well good.  There’s more stuff with him coming up in the summer too. You know I think a lot of times people look at the show and go like, what is that, an hour of Viagra jokes.  You know and especially cuz if Rays in it, they figure it’s going to be some full on comedy about getting old, and how my, you know my balls dropped.

(all laughing)

You know whatever.  Um and a lot of whining.  You know it takes a little while to change peoples perceptions, but now I think people are starting to get used to, have seen the show and its whole lot different than what they thought or perceived it to be in the beginning.  Dammit we won a Peabody so we were you know, works in shifts.

NN: Congratulations by the way.

MR: I may be the only person to say we won a Peabody and works in shifts.  Um so yeah, I hope that people, if for some reason look at it and go, that looks lame, I hope that they’ll check it out because I think they’ll be pleasantly surprised.

NN: Definitely.  Definitely.  Well Nathan, do you have any last questions before we, anything else?

MR: I’m, I’m good. (laughing)

NN: Alright

MR: Anything I didn’t cover?

NN: No, no  actually you were, you were, you covered everything man.

MR: Great

NN: Well Mike thank you very much we greatly appreciate it.  And again June 1^st, 10pm, 9pm Central.  Men of a Certain Age.

MR: Great . Thank you guys.

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